Am I a feminist? The short answer is No. I'm an Equalitist.
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| This is the face of misandry, and sadly, and wrongly it is accepted. |
I hate lies, I hate corruption and I hate hypocrisy. Not the smoking parent that knows how tough it is to quit and so they tell their teenager not to start smoking hypocrisy. But real dangerous, slanderous, prejudice, political, hypocrisy. In the western world Men are objectified for their body, just as much as women, maybe not in a sexual way but undoubtedly they are objectified, they are seen as tools that can be disposed of once they have outlived their usefulness. "Thanks for the kids, now get out MY house and NO you don't get visitation." Even though the man is most likely to be earning the money or the majority of the money that pays the mortgage. (*See other note.) Is very common, but the system is sexist in that it just lets this slide as though sexism only happens to women. It doesn't! "You dumb pig" aimed at a man, for no reason other than gender is just as as bad as "you dumb bitch" aimed at a woman.
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| And don't get me started on how this is "offensive to Jewish people" because I am of that descent, and the comparison is very justified. |
(First of all before I go any further, let me start by saying anybody can be a feminist (anybody who wants to label themselves as such anyway). Some feminists will say "this isn't me this is the extremists" and they are probably right, it is extremist. If you are a woman who has never fell into this misandric hypocrisy, this doesn't apply to you, but no matter how much you self label yourself as a feminist, I'm not going to recognise you as such. I refuse to lump good people in with the bad, and the bad people are not going to ditch the label of feminism, so if you are a good person, do yourself a favour and ditch the label, don't associate with the nut jobs, get out of there while you still can.
I say this because largely I'm owning my own shit here I banged on the feminist drum myself, until I found enough jigsaw pieces to see a bigger picture and realised there was a group of people giving me a bad name. Extremists were claiming MY label applied to them, slandering my good name, Feminism became their label, so when it took on a new meaning for me I ditched it. Mislabelling yourself is like an apple claiming to be an orange. Now I'm an egalite, and any '"good feminists'" well sorry but you are too, you're not feminists, you don't deserve to get a black spot on your character record, and the radicals don't deserve decent people like you bolstering their numbers.
I don't need to be told I'm inferior to men by other women either, I fail to see how that can possibly be called empowering, I'm also sick of being called a traitor, seems to me the group that hates women the most is other women. Now I'll tell you how I started putting the pieces together, this is going to seem like a long story but bear with me.
One day I was watching the TV when a string of charity ads came on, I noticed that an overwhelming majority of children on there were girls. Contraception isn't well used I understand that but that doesn't mean that there are actually more girls than boys, in birthrates it's pretty 50/50 give or take. I thought hmm must be the producers of the campaigns ad thought boys weren't good for the sympathy vote. That was piece number 1. And it first raised my suspicions. Piece number 2 was when I saw this;
And
saw
absolutely nothing wrong with it, it's not pro-feminism, but neither
was it particularly anti-feminism, anti-woman or pro-male. The
logic was sound and I'd been on enough feminist pages to realise "hey
that's true you pretty much 99% of the time never see anything about the male
pill, or anything where men are anything other than a side note of snide
remarks. It's all the
pill, women, rape, abortion, rape, abortion, the pill, oppression, men are
vile, rape, abortion, and more rape." You can be forgiven for thinking I'm
poking fun, if you think "feminism is about equality" but I'm
completely serious about this. I've never seen a feminist site or FB page,
shout about the bias in custody battles, that men are ones that get drafted for
armies, or why men have to pay more for car insurance. If feminism is about
equality then so is my arse.
Usually I pride myself in being a pedantic pain in the arse and poking holes in the logic of other people, but I couldn't, not with that one. So I started to actually question my part in the feminist movement.
Piece number 3 (or rather piece 1, because in timescale it was the 1st) was a cold hard hitting reality that was several years in the making, and this is where I own more shit (it's called being an adult). I've casually slapped so many of my ex partners, and yes in retrospect one of them deserved it but still the fact remains, 4 partners, thousands of slaps, and bites and kicks. None of them called the police. Not one. I'd watched so many sitcoms where it happened it was almost a comedic reference to copy the characters as a child, I even flaunted "ha ha can't hit me back I'm a girl" in the playground and by the time I'd hit adulthood it had sunk in that slapping men was fine, it's what you did, it was even funny!
Then I thought; "No hang on, that's not right, I can do anything they can (I was and still am a tomboy-girl) so why are they not hitting me back? Do they think I'm too weak to take it?"
I was infuriated I thought
"how dare they treat me like a weakling, how sexist, they don't think I'm
equal!" But it wasn't that at all, I even asked to be hit back, I had
punched an ex in rage and he just took it, I felt bad, I realised my own
hypocrisy, I wanted to be hit back, after all that was fair. That's what being
equal is all about isn't it? If it flies for one it flies for all? But he
didn't not because he was sexist but because the system was sexist in my
favour. If he called the police on me he'd be a laughing stock, if I called the
police on him it would be an arrest and a criminal record.
I looked up the statistics for it and saw that it was actually pretty common, but I didn't need statistics to tell me it happened or existed, because I experienced it, I was part of it. And what is worse is I was the abuser. So much for "weak and feeble women" huh?
Pretending women are the victim all the time is neither empowering or accurate. It's as if sexism is a one way street but it isn't, just the majority of people have their blinkers on so they can't see the oncoming lane.)
Usually I pride myself in being a pedantic pain in the arse and poking holes in the logic of other people, but I couldn't, not with that one. So I started to actually question my part in the feminist movement.
Piece number 3 (or rather piece 1, because in timescale it was the 1st) was a cold hard hitting reality that was several years in the making, and this is where I own more shit (it's called being an adult). I've casually slapped so many of my ex partners, and yes in retrospect one of them deserved it but still the fact remains, 4 partners, thousands of slaps, and bites and kicks. None of them called the police. Not one. I'd watched so many sitcoms where it happened it was almost a comedic reference to copy the characters as a child, I even flaunted "ha ha can't hit me back I'm a girl" in the playground and by the time I'd hit adulthood it had sunk in that slapping men was fine, it's what you did, it was even funny!
Then I thought; "No hang on, that's not right, I can do anything they can (I was and still am a tomboy-girl) so why are they not hitting me back? Do they think I'm too weak to take it?"
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I looked up the statistics for it and saw that it was actually pretty common, but I didn't need statistics to tell me it happened or existed, because I experienced it, I was part of it. And what is worse is I was the abuser. So much for "weak and feeble women" huh?
Pretending women are the victim all the time is neither empowering or accurate. It's as if sexism is a one way street but it isn't, just the majority of people have their blinkers on so they can't see the oncoming lane.)
More than 40 percent of domestic violence happens to men, but nowhere near that percentage of
anti-domestic-abuse programs efforts or time is given to men, in cases of
domestic violence even when the women is the perpetrator she can do no wrong,
"it's OK she's a woman and he's a man, he can take it, he should take it,
stupid men have had it good for too long".
Some people are scared by horses just because of their physical size and musculature so when the horse tries to get away from his attacker that makes him aggressive? Of course not, but it does make him scary. And that is exactly what society thinks of men who refuse to be taken advantage of they are scary because they didn't just accept total dominance. Men are also targets of emotional bullying by false accusation, any non female supremacist view they express even if not male supremacist either is instantly labelled as men being sexist against women. Man says "feminism causes more problems than it solves" Woman says "that's sexist", no it's not, wanting true equality is about balance.
Women often use the slogan "Feminism; the radical notion that women are people." and that is often seen as a cry for equality. If men said the paraphrased "Masculinism; the radical notion that men are people." it would more often be seen as a cry for male "dominance". And in terms of domestic violence men are expected to just "man up" translated it means "shut up, you are male, you don't matter." Now THAT is sexist!
Some "studies" have tried to accuse men of pregnancy coercion. If you look at it in terms of if it were a criminal case, it's clear with the "pregnancy coercion" that they have the wrong suspect, because there is no motive. Men wouldn't poke holes in condoms if they were not paternal and had no intention of having a child, and being involved in that child's life "hey lets set myself up for no visitation and paying 18 years of child support for the hell of it because I'm bored" said no man ever. Pregnancy coercion is almost always by women for emotional 'stay with me' blackmail, & financial gain.This is also sexist, but society doesn't seem to notice. There is an elephant in the room and nobody wants to address the issue in fear or rocking the boat even more.
*Note: Men are not given equal parental leave, this denies men the time to bond with their children as much as the mother, and it affects women that don't want to stay at home in that this stops them getting back to their own careers either at the pace they'd like or indefinitely. This matters because it makes financial sense to keep someone working for longer because maternity pay is not as much as a normal working wage in most places and it's currently the way it is because traditionally women are the ones who give birth (sorry this is a tradition you CANNOT change) usually need the resting time post birth for health reasons. This results in the male "dominated" workplace.
Gender roles
need to be challenged for men too. Equality of result in the workplace will
never be achievable with the parental leave laws in their current state,
because women are hardwired by nature to want to have children and more
flexible (not all but most) work hours, usually higher positions on the
corporate ladder are too inflexible and all consuming that women make the
CHOICE not to enter into those roles.
Last I checked minimum wage for me as a waitress is the same as my colleague who is a waiter, if he moved up to management it would increase, if I moved up to management it would increase to be the same as my colleague because tada we are doing the same job. If he has more ambition than me and is cool to sacrifice home time to work the extra hours that come with the management job and I don't want to loose Jr's school play time etc then he takes the higher job and I don't. He is now a man and earning twice as much as me, the sexist bastard (sarcasm). No wonder you aren't going to see equality of result in the workplace when you don't see equality of ambition and sacrifice. Of the women that are working the majority of them all want glamorous jobs in hair styling, nursing, (small animal)veterinary, office PAs, etc you rarely see women in farm veterinary, tree surgery, or garbage disposal. Because it's icky, no good for high heels and they are happy to leave it to the men.
Last I checked minimum wage for me as a waitress is the same as my colleague who is a waiter, if he moved up to management it would increase, if I moved up to management it would increase to be the same as my colleague because tada we are doing the same job. If he has more ambition than me and is cool to sacrifice home time to work the extra hours that come with the management job and I don't want to loose Jr's school play time etc then he takes the higher job and I don't. He is now a man and earning twice as much as me, the sexist bastard (sarcasm). No wonder you aren't going to see equality of result in the workplace when you don't see equality of ambition and sacrifice. Of the women that are working the majority of them all want glamorous jobs in hair styling, nursing, (small animal)veterinary, office PAs, etc you rarely see women in farm veterinary, tree surgery, or garbage disposal. Because it's icky, no good for high heels and they are happy to leave it to the men.
Women
in the western world have equal employment opportunity, but they have to want
it enough to earn it by making sacrifices the same as a man does. Men
are hardwired by nature to be self sacrificing, and give up family time. Male
privilege is an illusion, caused by the fact that men have been making social
sacrifices so long we just don't notice them making these sacrifices anymore.
And we unfairly expect men
to make them. (Men aren't always happy about that either, many men would
love to be a stay at home dad.) Because of this illusion of privilege some
women expect to be given higher positions for less effort because under the
illusion of male privilege that looks like it would be "equality",
but in reality it doesn't. It is not that men are sexist to women, it's not
that men are any more privileged. Nature has set us up to be a certain way and
be in certain roles for a very long time and challenging these roles is so new
that current laws have yet to catch up to account for physiological
differences.
Please note different does not mean one is better than the other, or any less deserving, just that they are different. (We are supposed to be a new society that celebrates differences, but instead there is an erasure movement that hurts everyone.) And focusing on the new needs of one gender whilst ignoring the new needs of the other is not going to result in equality, just a polar supremacy, and that is sexist too.
(please view vids on youtube)
Misandry hurts both men and women just like misogyny hurts both women and men.
I love women's lib, I love men's lib too, I hate "feminism" (fem-supremacism) just as much as I hate male supremacism.
I think human trafficking for sex slaves is a completely asshole thing to do, and under 18, no-choice circumcision for both little girls and boys is child abuse. Do I believe in equal education? Of course I do. As long as it's unbias, true education and not just some regurgitated brainwash bullcrap.
I believe women should have reproductive rights and equal opportunity to employment and career. However I believe men should have the right not to pay for offspring he didn't want, and full visitation to children he did plan for and does financially contribute towards, if women have the right to abort a baby and dodge responsibility so too should men have the right not to be "trapped by parenthood".
Please note different does not mean one is better than the other, or any less deserving, just that they are different. (We are supposed to be a new society that celebrates differences, but instead there is an erasure movement that hurts everyone.) And focusing on the new needs of one gender whilst ignoring the new needs of the other is not going to result in equality, just a polar supremacy, and that is sexist too.
(please view vids on youtube)
Misandry hurts both men and women just like misogyny hurts both women and men.
I love women's lib, I love men's lib too, I hate "feminism" (fem-supremacism) just as much as I hate male supremacism.
I think human trafficking for sex slaves is a completely asshole thing to do, and under 18, no-choice circumcision for both little girls and boys is child abuse. Do I believe in equal education? Of course I do. As long as it's unbias, true education and not just some regurgitated brainwash bullcrap.
I believe women should have reproductive rights and equal opportunity to employment and career. However I believe men should have the right not to pay for offspring he didn't want, and full visitation to children he did plan for and does financially contribute towards, if women have the right to abort a baby and dodge responsibility so too should men have the right not to be "trapped by parenthood".
See this screen cap? You might be
forgiven for thinking I hate abortion, well news flash, I don't. I'm pro
choice. (But that doesn't mean I think it should be the first
choice, and that doesn't mean I think men aren't entitled to an opinion
about it either.) It's good to remember just because someone respects your
choice and won't try and deny your right to choice, doesn't mean they will
always agree with it, or why you made it.
Lets not kid ourselves "there has never been an abortion for purely selfish reasons" because we all know that to be a lie.
To
quote a friend of mine Re: this picture;
"because ONE woman doesn't want ONE child, her partner should make the choice to NEVER have ANY child? Yeeeeeeah....ok....."
Nice to see I'm not the only one who sees through this bullshit.
Hypocrisy and pseudo-logic really grinds my gears, fine people can do whatever with their body, but women can't (and shouldn't) act like it didn't take two to tango and it's not the guys baby too, (something that alot of women later claim in court when they want child support) because genetically it is. Telling men they are misogynist because they mourn the loss of a prospective child that gets aborted is just asinine, think of all the women who want a baby and the father doesn't, said woman says "well poo to you, I want it and you can pay for it", notice the hypocrisy that she is not called misandric?
Women have the end say because it's their body that carries it, and that is right. Birth can be like being in a car crash, and parenthood is a BIG responsibility it's not something to be entered into lightly. But this doesn't mean men have no right to be upset about the foetus which is genetically his. Just because men have no right to make laws about women's bodies doesn't mean they aren't entitled to a opinion about their own child. Expecting a man to have no opinion about something which is technically also his and just suck it up because you don't care about men, is SEXIST too!
Lets not kid ourselves "there has never been an abortion for purely selfish reasons" because we all know that to be a lie.
"because ONE woman doesn't want ONE child, her partner should make the choice to NEVER have ANY child? Yeeeeeeah....ok....."
Nice to see I'm not the only one who sees through this bullshit.
Hypocrisy and pseudo-logic really grinds my gears, fine people can do whatever with their body, but women can't (and shouldn't) act like it didn't take two to tango and it's not the guys baby too, (something that alot of women later claim in court when they want child support) because genetically it is. Telling men they are misogynist because they mourn the loss of a prospective child that gets aborted is just asinine, think of all the women who want a baby and the father doesn't, said woman says "well poo to you, I want it and you can pay for it", notice the hypocrisy that she is not called misandric?
Women have the end say because it's their body that carries it, and that is right. Birth can be like being in a car crash, and parenthood is a BIG responsibility it's not something to be entered into lightly. But this doesn't mean men have no right to be upset about the foetus which is genetically his. Just because men have no right to make laws about women's bodies doesn't mean they aren't entitled to a opinion about their own child. Expecting a man to have no opinion about something which is technically also his and just suck it up because you don't care about men, is SEXIST too!
When I signed up to be a warrior for
gender equality I meant exactly that Gender_Equality, men and women, both, equally, 50/50, and
credit where credit is due to the success of men and women because contrary to
some "feminist" statements we can't actually live without each other.
Like I said I love women's lib, I love men's lib too, I hate "feminism" (fem-supremacism) just as much as I hate male supremacism. So I'm not feminist any more, and no I'm not masculinist either.............. I'm still pro-vote, pro-contraception (I even think men should have their own pill too watch how the "accidental"/coerced pregnancies of women would drop!) I'm still pro-equal pay (as long as the work is equal) and prochoice. But I'm also pro-paper-abortions, pro-male-reproductive-rights and rights for fathers. I'm not going to call it feminism because frankly I suspect most feminists wouldn't appreciate me being a "traitor of equality" and would only seek to silence the male issues and anything that doesn't sit right with their prescribed doctrines!
I've rejected any single gender movement. I'm now an Egalite/Egalitarian, or Equalitist, whatever you want to call it, it means the same thing.
I never thought by being neutral I'd become a radical.
I need feminism (<sarc), because being told I'm a defenceless child, all my ideas are results of me being a weak minded woman who has been brainwashed, and I'm a walking cum receptacle waiting to get used (raped) is so "empowering"! (Did you know no man has ever said this to me, only other women?!)
Personally I think I'm empowered by my superb personality and intolerance to bullshit. Gender has nothing to do with it.
Like I said I love women's lib, I love men's lib too, I hate "feminism" (fem-supremacism) just as much as I hate male supremacism. So I'm not feminist any more, and no I'm not masculinist either.............. I'm still pro-vote, pro-contraception (I even think men should have their own pill too watch how the "accidental"/coerced pregnancies of women would drop!) I'm still pro-equal pay (as long as the work is equal) and prochoice. But I'm also pro-paper-abortions, pro-male-reproductive-rights and rights for fathers. I'm not going to call it feminism because frankly I suspect most feminists wouldn't appreciate me being a "traitor of equality" and would only seek to silence the male issues and anything that doesn't sit right with their prescribed doctrines!
I've rejected any single gender movement. I'm now an Egalite/Egalitarian, or Equalitist, whatever you want to call it, it means the same thing.
I never thought by being neutral I'd become a radical.
I need feminism (<sarc), because being told I'm a defenceless child, all my ideas are results of me being a weak minded woman who has been brainwashed, and I'm a walking cum receptacle waiting to get used (raped) is so "empowering"! (Did you know no man has ever said this to me, only other women?!)
Personally I think I'm empowered by my superb personality and intolerance to bullshit. Gender has nothing to do with it.
"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time, June 3, 1991, p. 52.
"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." -- Andrea Dworkin
"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." -- Catherine MacKinnon
Rape statistics.
I
firmly believe that a false rape allegation and certainly a false
prosecution can do as much damage as a rape. Protecting women shouldn't
come at the expense of men.More importantly the statistics on rape are so doctored your average "shock" statistic is just another form of propaganda. Shrodingers rapist is manhaters myth. The whole "EVERY man is a potential rapist" and over blown statistics are unhelpful fear mongering to keep people in check. A control tool. And this is also evident in the fact they they almost always appear on poltical pages. "Save me mr legislator save me from the rapists! I'll overlook this and that just stop the rapists!!!!!"
Look at all those "rapists" BS statistic because it shows you how many are reported, vs unreported, yet if they are unreported how do you know they exist? You just don't, it's fabricated. But you already know that. " proving a crime didn't happen is almost impossible. " Not to mention you can't count negatives.
"was accused of rape by his angry ex, shortly before trying to get into college to become a teacher, they refused him ofc because they dug into his records, but later it was discovered that at the time he allegedly raped this girl he was on a family holiday 207 miles away from her (even had photos of him infront of a fair to prove it), but by that time it was too late he thought his future prospects were gone and jumped off a 10meter bridge and shattered the bones in his legs, he will never walk again. and despite being proven a lie his ex has never even been made to do so much as apologise."
SEE ALSO: WOMEN ACCUSE MAN OF RAPE TO AVOID $13 CAB FARE, CAUGHT ON TAPE. http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1269807-Women-accuse-man-of-rape-to-avoid-13-cab-fare-He-catches-it-on-tape
Do women really owe feminism anything?
I see this posed a lot online, not always worded like this but always suggesting the same points so I thought I'd so a simple Q&A to address these questions and accusations:
"You owe Feminism a lot."
Do I?
I don't think so, the suffragettes and suffragists were suffragettes and suffragists, women's lib, not feminists. They had no concept of the word and even when it did start being used it was not used in the same context like it is today. Lets look at it a bit shall we?
"The history of the modern western feminist movements is divided into three "waves".[9][10] Each is described as dealing with different aspects of the same feminist issues. The first wave refers to the movement of the 19th through early 20th centuries, which dealt mainly with suffrage, working conditions and educational rights for women and girls. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_feminism)"
These women were not feminists, later feminists posthumously claimed them into their movement to leach off their successes, and fame to drive their own campaign. So "valued" by feminists that they were denied recognition of their own movements individuality.
"The second wave (1960s-1980s) dealt with the inequality of laws, as well as cultural inequalities and the role of women in society.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_feminism)"
Ah this is the Feminism I thought I had joined, and the best form of an imperfect movement as it also freed up the ability for women to go back to work after birth and men to enjoy more time with their children (and the radicals were less common in number). Some feminists are still clinging to this 2nd (technically FIRST)wave (and I did until recently too), but times have moved on and many of the 3rd wave are doing these women a disservice by association. 2nd wave feminism was more on the lines of equality and members wanted men and women to help each other.
"The third wave of feminism (late 1980s-early 2000s (decade)), is seen as both a continuation of the second wave and a response to the perceived failures.[11](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_feminism)"
Now what wikipedia doesn't tell you about the 3rd wave (although the use of the word "perceived" is apt) is that feminism has taken on a different meaning altogether. Radicals are rife, and the movement has taken on a bitter man hating tone of female supremacism, and rape paranoia. Feminism has taken on a new meaning, under which it's biggest achievement has been to create a cult. I don't benefit from it and I owe it nothing.
"If it wasn't for feminists there wouldn't be any contraceptive pill, if you hate feminism you must hate womens reproductive rights!"
This is an informal fallacy.
Margaret Sanger was not a feminist she was an advocate of birth control and
women's health (anybody can be a reproductive rights, and equal opportunity
advocate, AND NOT be a feminist) who did the majority of her work before the
2nd wave (first wave of actual "feminism" when the term was in wider
use). Indeed the actual inventors of the contraceptive pill are men and were
not feminists themselves, further proving the idea of an oppressive patriarchy
to largely be a straw man.
"But those are just radicals, that's not a reason to abandon feminism"
Really it's sweet that you think that, you're going to tell
me they are rare next. Radicals got into the feminist ranks at every level
(which is why I have so many scrn capped examples, if it's common it's hard to
hide) and incite hatred and advocate violence*, even if other feminists
disregard them at first the subliminal seed has been planted and eventually
more and more people will turn bitter too. Infact it's pretty much already like
that. It used to be that you found the odd radical in feminism (when feminism
used to be about equality) now you find the odd person about equality in
radical feminism (not a separate form of feminism but the transformed version
of the one and the same.)
It's even in the name, Feminism is not about equality otherwise it would be Equalitism, just look at the word femin-ism and the key word here is Femin(pertaining to woman ONLY) and here another "femin-"; feminising, fem·i·nize (Verb) Make (something) more characteristic of or associated with women. Induce female sexual characteristics in (a male). It's about supremacy. It is sly and covert, but it is. If you don't think it is or subscribe to that ideal then change the name of it and kick out the man hating radicals. I used to be a feminist... then I woke up.
It's even in the name, Feminism is not about equality otherwise it would be Equalitism, just look at the word femin-ism and the key word here is Femin(pertaining to woman ONLY) and here another "femin-"; feminising, fem·i·nize (Verb) Make (something) more characteristic of or associated with women. Induce female sexual characteristics in (a male). It's about supremacy. It is sly and covert, but it is. If you don't think it is or subscribe to that ideal then change the name of it and kick out the man hating radicals. I used to be a feminist... then I woke up.
"Whatever you are a traitor!"
A traitor to a movement which is no longer fit for purpose,
run by and associated with misandric hypocrites who sully the name of gender
equality. I fail to see how that is a bad thing. And I fail to see how that
makes me anyless of a woman and a human being.
You can be an advocate for women's rights and not be a feminist, infact if you are advocating men's rights too it help's if you don't bother calling yourself a feminist, a lot of feminists would reject you as a woman hater, no matter how much you push for availability of contraceptives, you like men, you don't want to chop a peice of your sons penis off, how dare you, you sex traitor!
You can be an advocate for women's rights and not be a feminist, infact if you are advocating men's rights too it help's if you don't bother calling yourself a feminist, a lot of feminists would reject you as a woman hater, no matter how much you push for availability of contraceptives, you like men, you don't want to chop a peice of your sons penis off, how dare you, you sex traitor!
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Feminist anti-choice?
"Feminism is about equality, equality is about
choice." Really? Why then do feminists hate it when women CHOOSE to base
their relationship on traditional roles? Remember freedom isn't freedom if you
force it on people.
"According to Hirshman: "The tasks of housekeeping and child rearing [are] not worthy of the full time and talents of intelligent and educated human beings. They do not require a great intellect, they are not honored and they do not involve risks and the rewards that risk brings." - Huffpost, This is Why So Many People Hate Feminists.
So let me get this right, housework is not important, producing the next generation of human beings is not amazing, and requires absolutely no knowledge or expertise at all? Really no risk? How about your kids go out partying and against your advice take drugs regardless and OD, heartbreak is not a risk? Creating a whole new person that will in turn contribute to the world and reciprocate the love you put into them and even care for you in your old age is not a reward?
"she announced that women graduates of Ivy League schools who had left their careers to raise families were making the "wrong choice". There it was laid bare: feminism really isn't about women having the freedom to make choices. It's about women making the "right choice" as determined by people like Linda Hirshman. " - Huffpost, This is Why So Many People Hate Feminists.
Housework and motherhood is possibly one of the toughest jobs on the planet, you are a chef, maid, porter, hygiene maintenance engineer, accountant, gardener, teacher, child care worker, and therapist all rolled into one. All jobs that require some form of pre training or certificate. To say that doesn't require talent or intellect is an affront to every stay at home mother (and father) on the planet. Without housewives or house husbands people would live on microwaved meals eaten off dirty dishes, get very ill, and live in their own filth.
You aren't single and you and your partner go out to work full time? Please go on about how retched your kids lives are that they never see you and will feel the scars of your absence and lack of input for the rest of their lives.
And lets not forget feminists really hate traditional family roles because traditional family roles are (apparently) dangerous.
"(Unmarried career women) have more opportunity to walk
away from dangerous, immoral, or unfair relationships. A stay-at-home mom
certainly deserves the respect of a martyr, because (again God forbid) if she
is in an abusive, harmful or wholly unsatisfying existance, she’s probably
stuck.". - Click for linked comments.
And they say this BS excuse of an argument as if no married
woman has ever just upped and left and gone to her mothers to file for divorce
before hitting the scene again while claiming alimony or child support. No
woman has ever called the cops on their husband before and had him locked up
giving her a few days to pack up and ship off before he gets back home
<sarc'.
Did you know if you like pink you are anti-feminist scum (google: Pinkstinks)? If you hate pink you are anti-feminist scum(because feminist symbols are usually pink)? You know what? Fuck feminism with a cactus strap on.
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Re:
Surrendered wives. An
aspect of bdsm was dismissed as anti-woman for being pro feminine and against
dominace over men, ("Beware the anti-feminists. ") What feminists
fail to realise is that just because it has surrender in the name doesn't mean
wives and husband were ever truly at war. And it's even biggest blunder is to
not realise it is a movement that empowers women to treat themselves and not
feel guilty if they give into their biological natures, and that any perceived
submission is entirely concensual and women can leave these movements at any
time.
Re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSIjfnpPCsg
It was clearly not about CHOICE. They didn't ban the "mandatory" nature to give the muslim women a choice they didn't like it so they banned it (mandatory non-choice) simple as that.
There's nothing wrong with traditional relationship roles if both parties CHOOSE to do so, (http://radicalbi.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/fuck-marriage-fuck-equality/#more-613 is a spectacular example of radicals spitting in the face of people including lesbians choosing marriage.) and when did having everything paid for by someone else become a bad thing? When did taking part in the wonder of creating life become a bad thing? When did performing an important role, and being a valued team member in family life become a bad thing? In the words of a feminists own icon; "Did all that good shit GET ON YOUR NERVES? Or were you just DRUNK AT THE TIME OF THE SURVEY?” - Caitlin Moran
Re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSIjfnpPCsg
It was clearly not about CHOICE. They didn't ban the "mandatory" nature to give the muslim women a choice they didn't like it so they banned it (mandatory non-choice) simple as that.
There's nothing wrong with traditional relationship roles if both parties CHOOSE to do so, (http://radicalbi.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/fuck-marriage-fuck-equality/#more-613 is a spectacular example of radicals spitting in the face of people including lesbians choosing marriage.) and when did having everything paid for by someone else become a bad thing? When did taking part in the wonder of creating life become a bad thing? When did performing an important role, and being a valued team member in family life become a bad thing? In the words of a feminists own icon; "Did all that good shit GET ON YOUR NERVES? Or were you just DRUNK AT THE TIME OF THE SURVEY?” - Caitlin Moran
Don't you know? Feminism isn't about defending a womans
right to choice, when she makes the "wrong" (as defined by?!) choice.
Feminists
hate women who choose to be stay at home mothers, because traditional
apparently just aint girl power! Career feminists hate women that prefer spending time with their kids,
taking part in the miracle of life, creating the next generation of human
beings, and choosing to dedicate their life to them of their own accord! How dare they!
Feminist "RIGHT choice" seems to boil down to aborting their own flesh and blood to grinding misery in a rat-race("career") to pass their biological clock's last tick childless, and ultimately die alone. Feminists do a great job of alienating other women through their own hypocritical "us vs them" bullshit, if not by just coming across as outright pathetic.
"I thought parents were selfish for taking their pushchairs on the bus or train at rush hour and should be relegated to only using public transport at times when the Busy, Important People weren’t around
....
I thought babies and children could easily be ‘controlled’ and that any kid who threw a tantrum, screamed or cried incessantly was a brat who needed to be immediately removed from the vicinity of my ears and my precious public space, of which I was utterly convinced I had dibs on over a snot-faced two-year-old
...
I now know that parents (and kids) have just as many places to be and just as much right to use public transport, dine at a restaurant, have coffee on a Sunday morning, go to the cinema, shop at the mall or have lunch at the pub as those rushing to and from work and those without children.
...
I believed that any woman who stayed at home to take care of her children was wasting her education, subjugating herself to her husband and would inevitably become completely boring and obsessed with her children. I had absolutely no idea about anything to do with the physical, emotional, social and financial repurcussions of pregnancy, birth, breastfeeding, maternity leave, the costs and difficulties of finding quality childcare, or the bonding and primary caregiver role that is so vital to a new baby’s development.
I had no idea how hard it could be to take a child on a simple errand without incident, when it wasn’t nap time, meal time, or rush hour. I had no idea how much pressure parents are under to keep their children well-behaved, well-mannered, quiet, compliant and taking up as little space as possible, and what kind of mental strain that puts both the parents and the children under. I had no idea that one day I would be thinking back to the glares I have shot at chattering children or the way I would sometimes mutter under my breath “Jesus, these women and their pushchairs, they think they own the street,” as two women with prams came my way, and I would be ashamed of how I behaved, would like to find those cheerful but noisy children and those women just struggling to make it through the day with their newborn babies and unwieldy prams and apologise for my asshattery." (http://noblesavage.me.uk/2009/11/03/on-child-hate-and-feminism/) [ LET IT BE KNOWN; I SALUTE THIS WOMAN.]
Feminist "RIGHT choice" seems to boil down to aborting their own flesh and blood to grinding misery in a rat-race("career") to pass their biological clock's last tick childless, and ultimately die alone. Feminists do a great job of alienating other women through their own hypocritical "us vs them" bullshit, if not by just coming across as outright pathetic.
brotherjo: no commercials, no mercy @RaquelWelts is NOT on the list
My oldest sister has 3 kids and runs a small business. I told her if she ever calls herself a momtrepreneur I will stop offering to babysit for free. The look on her face was horrifying and hilarious. I think I put the fear of god into her.
http://jezebel.com/5897896/an-overwhelming-glossary-of-mommy-message-board-lingoUterus and/or vagina. But nothing else.
See also:
http://leidenhousewife.webs.com/apps/blog/show/7222718-feminist-hate-housewives
http://dontmarrycareerwomen.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/dont-worry-men-youre-not-the-only-people-feminists-hate/
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Feminism-is-a-Hate-Movement-against-the-Housewives
^Especially that last one, complete ad homien and straw man responses.
Am I a MRA?
Fuck no, I don't subscribe to any single movement.
What I do is sift through the bullshit on both sides and defend any truth still
to be found.
There definitely is sexism in the
world, but it is not as straightforward or as clear cut as some like to
suggest. In fact it is often very covert on both sides, though sometimes it's
delivered with as much subtlety as a loony tunes anvil dropped from 50 feet.
I've already stated else where that when I use the word feminist or feminasty I'm referring to a specific type of person in the feminist ranks, not to be confused with the nice people who just make what I feel to be a bad judgement call and throw their lot in and label themselves associates with radicals.
Of course there are radicals in the Mens rights movement too. Some cannot distinguish the difference between women and feminists. Despite the implication of Moran's words neither are prerequisites to another, nor are they synonymous, and the same can be said of men, MRA's and rapists, also not synonymous.
Now I'm not going to tell you you have to reject all feminist ideals if you aren't a feminist, just because the movement is tainted by hate doesn't mean there aren't some good people and good ideas in it. Same for the MRM.
I've already stated else where that when I use the word feminist or feminasty I'm referring to a specific type of person in the feminist ranks, not to be confused with the nice people who just make what I feel to be a bad judgement call and throw their lot in and label themselves associates with radicals.
Of course there are radicals in the Mens rights movement too. Some cannot distinguish the difference between women and feminists. Despite the implication of Moran's words neither are prerequisites to another, nor are they synonymous, and the same can be said of men, MRA's and rapists, also not synonymous.
Now I'm not going to tell you you have to reject all feminist ideals if you aren't a feminist, just because the movement is tainted by hate doesn't mean there aren't some good people and good ideas in it. Same for the MRM.
I cannot possibly agree with half the stuff Caitlin Moran says, but I bought her book and gave her a chance, and bar the hypocritical shit parts aside it was actually kinda enjoyable.
"What is feminism? Simply the belief that women should be as free as men, however nuts, dim, deluded, badly dressed, fat, receding, lazy and smug they might be. Are you a feminist? Hahaha. Of course you are."
― Caitlin Moran, How to Be a Woman
Is clearly just as sexist in it's blanket overview and hypocritical as saying "men should be pandered to just as much as women, even thought they maybe hysterical, hormonal, dye and fake tan addicted bimbos."
But that doesn't mean she didn't come out with something golden;
"You can tell whether some misogynistic societal pressure is being exerted on women by calmly enquiring, 'And are the men doing this, as well?' If they aren't, chances are you're dealing with what we strident feminists refer to as 'some total fucking bullshit'."
― Caitlin Moran, How to Be a Woman
So credit to her there, and ofc with any sex or race you can flip side it and see two sides to an argument. Just switch the roles.
I've said it elsewhere you can be pro-contraception, pro-choice, pro-vote, pro-equal-opportunity and not be a feminist. The point of rejecting feminism for me was I didn't want radicals speaking for me and claiming to know and dictating what my ideals were as a feminist.
And I see no point being a part of a group that doesn't fit my ideals. It would be like if art stopped being about the art and became about some weird lifestyle, I'd say fuck that shit and leave, but keep on painting. Nobody could stop me, and nobody can stop me, membership isn't a prerequisite.
But although I'm also for male reproductive and paternity rights, amongst others. I'm not an MRA either, well I am in the sense of I advocate for mens rights, but I am not a member of the MRA as a group because there is no sense looking at one side alone.
Feminists will rant about the wage gap and careers but the thing people so often overlook is giving men a greater paternity leave so their wives can get back to their careers sooner and not miss out on management or refresher training. would benefit both sexes.
I've always thought about equality being two sided. Unfortunately not a lot of people do. There is a tendency to develop an US vs THEM attitude, which aside from being unhelpful is also unhealthy.
Is it any easier to be an Equalitist? Not really it's about as easy as being bisexual, you will see two sides to the story but you can get negativity from both sides like biphobia. The problem with the us vs them mentality is that if you express any view that can be taken as "the other=enemy side speaking" you will more than likely be jumped upon on principle of you are not an MRA or you are not a feminist, regardless of whether what you said was actually sexist (to either) or not.
Katy
Perry is a good example of us vs them mentality. Katy NEVER said she was
against equality. But this STILL upset a lot of feminists and media
personalities in general, some even suggested making this statement meant she
should not have been awarded Woman of the Year, well frankly I think she
deserves it more for that statement than her music.
The problem with this is Feminists
wanted to claim Perry. But she disassociated herself from them. Any group that tries to claim you, is in some aspect trying to own you on atleast some level. Once you are claimed you are easy to use for
their own ends. Even if it is as passive (though equally damaging) as number
bolstering to gain repute and power. This is no different in principal to the
slave trade. "I have these X/numbers behind me,
I have status, you must give in to my demands."
In short Feminists don't give a rats-ass about men's issuses, (how dare they have their own problems that might distract all the attention from us). "It's about equality" my arse!
But my fave peice of bullshit recently has to be from the feminist ranks.
"Men shouldn't have the male pill because it will encourage men to rape without worrying about victims getting pregnant."
Um
pretty
sure rapists never cared anyway, and feminazis really do overlook the
fact that rapists can also be women. DNA can be extracted pregnancy or
not.
It wont change anything, other than women won't be able to sperm jack
men as
often, keeping men oppressed by a scam pregnancy, emotionally/or legally
blackmailed to stay with women they didn't want a family with and
trapped into
giving said women money for upto 18 years.
"If you type the word “equalism” in a blog’s text box you get that annoying little red line underneath it indicating that you misspelled something. In other words, the English language doesn’t officially recognize that word in any dictionary. I suppose this is apt since for the last 50+ years the effort to feminize society has always used the abstract concept of gender equalism as something ambient in the background of the agenda. It doesn’t have an official definition because, collectively, were supposed to take it as a given; something that should just be considered “common sense”. To be sure, feminization’s plea for a more humane restructuring of society has always been couched in terms like “equality”, which sounds comforting when spoken, even if the intent is distracting." - http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/positive-masculinity-vs-equalism/
Now back to the US vs THEM for a moment and finding merit whatever the source. I have a friend, and she is (or rather she self labels herself as) a feminist. I don't consider her one in the radical sense, and she can identify with and call herself whatever she likes. She is not misandric, nor a raving loony. She is still holding onto an old idea that "feminism is about equality", which personally I don't buy. (As far as I'm concerned, definitions change and the last time feminism was about equality, gay meant happy.) But still I'm more concerned with the substance and content of her actions and views than what she calls them. She is a "feminist" that expresses some pro-male perspectives amongst the pro-female, and I dare say she has been attacked by other feminists for it too. Am I going to disregard her because she's a "feminist"? No. The only US vs THEM I'm interested in is the one between the radicals and non-radicals, not "feminists" and MRAs.
http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/
I'm an equalitist and proud of it.
